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Wednesday, March 16, 2005

Justice for perverts? Or perversion of justice?

I'm always interested in the ways that people share information and build virtual communities on the Internet, and boy, is this an interesting one: www.perverted-justice.com.

It's an online volunteer organization dedicated to exposing chat-room "wannabe pedophiles." Trained volunteers set up underage-sounding profiles (both girls and boys) on Yahoo!, MSN, and AOL messengers, and sit in regional chatrooms, waiting for older men to start conversations. If the conversation heads in a sexual direction, the volunteers wait for the men to offer their phone numbers. "Underage-sounding" phone verifiers call to make sure the person is really interested in meeting the girl or boy in real life. Once the volunteers have the phone number and have established the intent to meet in real life...

...They post the chat logs and phone numbers on their website. Then, behind the scenes on the forums, volunteers seek out as much information as they can about the subject, including pictures, E-mails, addresses, employment, and criminal records. They contact the subject on messenger services, E-mails, and phone, encouraging him or her (but almost always him) to admit their crime and get treatment.

They encourage subjects to send a right of reply, apologizing and telling their side of the story. If the subject agrees to get professional sex offender counseling, the site removes their phone number, and eventually the chat log as well. If not, volunteers begin contacting neighbors and work supervisors, to let them know that a (possible?) sex offender is nearby. See the site's visitor's guide and FAQ for more about how they operate. Since soliciting sex from a minor is illegal, the site often works with local law enforcement agencies - see Information for Police. Sometimes the site works with local media to film their subjects arriving at a house where they think they will meet an underage person for sex.

Not surprisingly, the site has several critics. The most well-organized opposition comes from www.corrupted-justice.com, a public information site that also has resources for people "busted' by Perverted Justice. An opinion piece in chatmag.com opposes the site, as does Julie Posey of the Electronic Frontier Foundation. And here's a feature article from the Phoenix New Times.

So what do people think of perverted-justice.com? I've been a bit shaken up since learning about the site - I had no idea that online underage solicitation was so common, or that citizens would go to such great lengths to prevent it. What do you think?

I'm withholding my opinions, because I want to hear yours.

13 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

On the topic of anti-pedophile sites, I came across this Canadian site, you may be interested:
http://justicenetworkcanada.com/
They take a more informative stance and are not so directly/aggressively involved in exposing people. The link they make between their anti-pedophile stance and their conservative (christian?) values is disturbing though, and in my opinion unnecessary. This is not a package deal I am willing to buy into. Even without that sort of moral propaganda the muddle of self-righteousness, genuine concern and extremism makes the good sites like these do look bad.
If all this gets too depressing, check out this interesting version of the Truth on Pedophiles (and a few other things): http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/list_of_satanist.htm

Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:02:00 AM  
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Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:07:00 AM  
Blogger Drek said...

At the request of the anonymous poster, I have removed the 4 duplicate postings that somehow were added. So, basically, this isn't a violation of my standard "I won't curtail your speech" policy. So there. Nyah!



Slag, these groups make me decidedly uneasy. In the first place, this is nothing more than vigilantism, which is bad for social order in a number of ways. In the second place, these groups have essentially no oversight. An accusation of pedophilia can be utterly devastating and these groups are making them with impunity. While I think it unlikely that they will manufacture evidence... regularly... I think it sets a very dangeorus precedent.


And no, that doesn't mean I like child molesters.

Wednesday, March 16, 2005 12:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Julie said...

I've followed PJ for a few years now, actually. It seems like it was a good enough idea as an informal vigilante organization, but it seems like its size, publicity, and dispersed leadership have made it impractical. The original goal, as far I can see, was to give the 'perps' a hopefully-productive guilt trip once they'd been busted; instead, this has turned into a large group without the centralized means necessary to manage it.
In some respects, it seems that they've created a movement that's grown too well. The issue is framed well, and you can't argue with the appeal to 'justice' they impart on the 'perp' profiles. However, their resource mobilization strategies seem to be the same as they were in the early days, when it was only a small group of participants, and this isn't going to be as effective. Small wonder counter-organizations are forming, though I find the fact that they're framing themselves as anti-PJ, rather than pro-pedophile, an interesting one.
Regardless, the problem must be a significant one if this kind of SMO can arise without too much solicitation on the group's behalf. Online self-representation is a tricky business, and figuring out what's a game and what's not is enough to make one's head spin.

Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Julie said...

I've followed PJ for a few years now, actually. It seems like it was a good enough idea as an informal vigilante organization, but it seems like its size, publicity, and dispersed leadership have made it impractical. The original goal, as far I can see, was to give the 'perps' a hopefully-productive guilt trip once they'd been busted; instead, this has turned into a large group without the centralized means necessary to manage it.
In some respects, it seems that they've created a movement that's grown too well. The issue is framed well, and you can't argue with the appeal to 'justice' they impart on the 'perp' profiles. However, their resource mobilization strategies seem to be the same as they were in the early days, when it was only a small group of participants, and this isn't going to be as effective. Small wonder counter-organizations are forming, though I find the fact that they're framing themselves as anti-PJ, rather than pro-pedophile, an interesting one.
Regardless, the problem must be a significant one if this kind of SMO can arise without too much solicitation on the group's behalf. Online self-representation is a tricky business, and figuring out what's a game and what's not is enough to make one's head spin.

Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please note that Julie Posey does not represent the Electronic Frontiers Foundation. She is another "vigilante" who preys on parental fear as a shill for her money-making web site. Julie is obviously more interested in making a profit than protecting children.

www.corrupted-justice.com has been thoroughly exposed as a pro-pedophile web site. See the information at www.corrupted-justice.NET

Tuesday, July 26, 2005 8:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dYes, Xavier (head of PJ) formed a large anti Julie Posey movement and centered it around how she charges for some items obtainable from her website.

However the tune has recently changed with the announcement that MSNBC Dateline paid PJ more than $100,000 to do group media busts. Furthermore PJ has a long history of selling items (such as thongs and other questionable items) for funding as well as having a PayPal donation method setup.

Xavier and PJ have a long history of trashing everyone (usually by calling them pedo-enablers) and then doing exactly what they claim others are doing. Two-faced and hypocritical, but typical for a hate-cult type group.

I strong recommend researching both sides of the issue. Join PJ and cruise their forums. You'll see many posts showing illegal activities. (Note that you must become a member to access the hidden forums.) Then scan the Corrupted-Justice site (no need to be a member) for documented evidence of further illegal activities.

Then if you want to turn your stomach, scan the Corrupted-Justice.net site. It was setup by Xavier (head of PJ) as a means to discredit Corrupted-Justice and has become a cesspit of foul mouthed ranting.

No, I'm not going to list anything that I've seen PJ (and Xavier) do. However I do urge you to do research on the site. Start with the $100k that they collected for being shills for Dateline ratings purposes. Then scan Google for general posts pro/anti for PJ. Then join PJ and read their own comments for yourself. Finally go read Corrupted-Justice.com for detailed research information. And lastly, make up your own mind as to the value of a self-proclaimed vigilante mod with zero police training.

Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They attacked this guy “Bruce Raisley” and continue to harass him to this day. All he did was complain because they used a photo of his kid.

Friday, March 07, 2008 5:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Mallory Kn0x said...

Oh for crying out loud! With over 300 convictions, with thousands more to come, PeeJ is far from a vigilante group. LE would NOT work with them, let alone be trained by them, if that were true.

And as far as Bruce Raisley, he is nuttier than a fruit cake!
He put one of the head admins of PeeJ is danger by placing an ad with the admins pic, and address with the statement that this admin wanted to be raped and to just go ahead and break into their house to fullfill a fantasy of theirs.
Brucey ended up have his ass handed to him and a warning to stay away from any PeeJ member or things would get a whole lot worse for him!
If you want to see how crazy he is, go do a search for "citygurl" at corrupted-justice dot com.
And NO!! That was NOT a picture of his child on a PeeJ profile!! It was PROVEN to be just another one of his delusional statements he pulled out of his rectum to try and make PeeJ look bad. My God, he also stated that PeeJ used Jessica Lunsford's picture and got her killed! That statement can also be found on corrupted justce's site!
I strongly suspect that Bruce Raisley was an old bust of PeeJ's before LE was brought into the picture.

Now.......
PeeJ has proven itself to be the best on the www. for capturing those who try to meet and have sex with children on the net. They work along side LE and together they make one hell of a conviction machine.

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 5:47:00 AM  
Blogger Mallory Kn0x said...

Hey. Put nuttier than a fruitcake Bruce Raisley in Google and see what he's been up to lately..

Apparently he didn't like his name around the net and Ddos'd not only perverted-justice, which was unsuccessful, but rolling stone, radar online, the rick ross institute and cj.net. which ended up boiling over onto cj.com.

Well, needless to say the FBI thought it was worth Brucey having to pay a 150,000 unsecured bail! lol.
Bruce Raisley is looking at 10 years and 250,000 fine. Now that's JUSTICE!!

Definitely one of corrupted-justice.con's finest! roflmao

Just wanted to spread the word around.

Sunday, July 26, 2009 11:08:00 PM  

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